At least 27 killed including 18 children

[boxerdog]

Just in case you don't have the new son:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...tary-school-shooting-say-reports-8417931.html

 

[killaclown]

Sad day.

 

[dashu1]

Amazingly most yanks can't see the correlation between the ready availability of guns and this kind of tragedy.

Look somewhere like above top secret and you'll see the same old rhetoric - "guns don't kill, people kill", "you can prize my gun from my cold dead hands," "I'll fight to the death to keep my guns", etc.

Strange how they see the use of guns and violence as a prerequisite to maintaining their society, which is based on guns and violence.

Morons.

 

[Bailey]

The poster is a few years old - but the message is pretty much the same (even when you three or fourfold the other nations to allow for population)

 

[woopwoop]

Amazingly most yanks can't see the correlation between the ready availability of guns and this kind of tragedy....

The 'most' part isn't true.

 

[tifosi]

The biggest stumbling block seems to be state law vs federal law. The Conneticut laws are strict. The New Jersey laws are lax. No state borders...

The Senate & House of Representatives are Republican dominated and fuelled by right-wing gun toting lobbyists.

The image of Charlton Heston with the rifle over his head and saying 'Over my rotting dead corpse' springs to mind. Well that bits ok now, so maybe they can do something about it!

Note the comment Obama made in his speech about the recent occurances, and adding the street corner in Chicago. There's whole neighbourhoods where life expectancy isn't that great!

 

[GreyWing]

This will just convince the guns nuts that they need more guns. They'll say if someone at that school had a gun they could have stopped him.

The NRA will argue for more guns.... people with guns have them for a reason, because they are scared. They aren't the sign of a tough guy in my opinion, they are a sign of someone in fear.

 

[atlas]

The UK is heading the same direction:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

The figures follow a warning by Mr Grayling that U.S.-style gang culture has reached some parts of the UK.

In August, he made a controversial speech warning that a collapse of 'civilised life' had allowed a brutal drug and gun crime culture - like that of the U.S. TV show The Wire - to flourish in Britain.

The hit TV series tracks the nightmare of gangs and organised crime in inner city West Baltimore and the futile efforts of police to deal with them.

 

[GreyWing]

This will just convince the guns nuts that they need more guns. They'll say if someone at that school had a gun they could have stopped him.

As predicted, the gun nuts are calling for more guns. The NRA speech a few minutes ago was filled with more crazyness.

"If someone in that school had a gun, then they would have stopped him". lol

 

[Murray]

As predicted, the gun nuts are calling for more guns. The NRA speech a few minutes ago was filled with more crazyness.

"If someone in that school had a gun, then they would have stopped him". lol

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Look at Japan, they don't have guns but crazy people with knives go into schools and attack and kill children.

Also look at switzerland, every home has a gun and their gun crime is virtually non-existent.

It's not a simple issue.

 

[GreyWing]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

That's kind of an irrelevance, it's the same argument for "bombs don't kill people, people do" so therefore bombs should be legal. The "gun" same as the "bomb" aspect is a damage multiplier, it allows for multiple casualties from one event.

Yes the same as knives to a lesser extent, although as you know you can't walk round the streets of the UK with a knife either.

Look at Japan, they don't have guns but crazy people with knives go into schools and attack and kill children.

Also look at switzerland, every home has a gun and their gun crime is virtually non-existent.

Yes the guy in a Japanese school killed 8 in 2000, that's 12 years ago. Compared to probably 10 mass killing events in the US in just over that time and the one last week that claimed the lives of 26.

The Swiss issue is not one I am familiar with but a search in Google for "switzerland gun laws" comes back with

http://www.businessinsider.com/switzerlands-gun-laws-are-a-red-herring-2012-12

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...l-and-switzerland-are-not-gun-toting-utopias/

Of course any stat is going to throw up the odd stand out fact, but in general a country like China has virtually no gun crime on a per capita basis when compared to the US.

Yes the issue is complicated but that is only more reason to control weapons until it becomes simple to understand, not the other way round.

 

[Murray]

Yes the issue is complicated but that is only more reason to control weapons until it becomes simple to understand, not the other way round.

You should consider reading this book, you may not agree with it but I think you would find it interesting nonetheless.

http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493636/ref=nosim?tag=acorn06-21