advice please - e-mail claiming domain name

[squash247]

This is my first e-mail of this type, so any usefull advice is appreciated.

Received this mail today via namedrive where it is parked.
Comment: Hello,
we've the registered trademark ......... and we operate in the hotel reservation industry since 1997.

We'd like to have transferred the domain --------.co.uk to our company asap.

In case of no feedback or negative answer we'll start a lawsuite to defend our trademark.

I registered the name and parked it at namedrive about 1 year ago. It does bring up holiday and hotel information.

They have the .com and two other european domains. Not sure if it is trademarked...how do you find out ??

Shall i just hand it over or try and get something from it.

Any advice would be much appreciated.....i don't want any hassle or large solicitors bills.
Cheers

 

[Johnp]

Hi

Suggest you write back from your hotmail account and say, oh very sorry to see that you had trademark. Happy to consider a transfer for adminstrative costs and await their response, when the reply comes in tell them it will be £ 500 plus they pay the nominet fees and settle for any offer over £ 300.00. Perphaps point out htis will be quicker and more cost effective than other options.

Just a suggestion !!


JohnP

 

[Jeewhizz]

find the TM info here:

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tm/t-find/t-find-text.htm

 

[GWing]

you'll not get any large solicitor bills anyway bud, as they can't recover therir costs on DRS.

unless you hire a big solicitor that is,

 

[grandin]

generic

Is the domain name generic? ie. a seachable word or words

Lee

 

[enworb]

I assume that the company in question is somewhere in Europe but not the UK, yet they couldn't afford a few £££ to register a top-level-domain. It will now cost them in excess of £400 - at a guess - and plenty of e-mails and/or letters (doubt it will make it to a solicitors).

Can you please let us know whether or not they have a TM on the name (from Jeewhizz suggested site)

 

[researcher]

DRS- zero cost recovery

you'll not get any large solicitor bills anyway bud, as they can't recover therir costs on DRS.

unless you hire a big solicitor that is,

Even hiring a big lawyer would be highly unlikely to recover any costs. It would undermine one the main DRS advantages, or even shift it more towards a Court if costs were to be recovered, and away from Nominet UK.

Looking back, it was considered that when Benjamin Cohen (then CyberBritain Group) went to the High Court in summer 2005 on his ill-fated attempt to request a judicial review of Nominet, he lost. Yes, in the end, Apple Inc. did retain the itunes.co.uk domain name, but the judge stated that CyberBritain could have used the appeal process which forms part of Nominet's dispute resolution (DRS) procedure. Did this 'rubber stamp' the DRS structure in the eyes of a court? To a large degree, yes, which isn’t so much of a victory for Nominet as one might at first consider. Quite simply, there is a greater onus on Nominet to get their DRS decisions right.

Nominet’s then company solicitor Ed Phillips said "We always said you can't go running off to court before exhausting the process you are complaining about. And a judicial review is wrong for this anyway - that is for complaining about government decisions - and we're not a government body."
So, in effect, before any court proceedings are started by way of a claim on a domain, the High Court at least supported the requirement to use the DRS, with includes its zero cost recovery principle.

Apple had reportedly first threatened CyberBritain with Court action, but wisely chose Nominet’s DRS instead (£750+VAT), fundamentally on the basis on its contractual rights stemming from its trademarks filed 24th October 2000, two weeks before the registration of itunes.co.uk, see:
TM No. E1917012
TM No. 2249936
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tm/t-find/t-find-number.htm

As Nominet UK is a limited company, Cohen could have considered taking them to Court on a legal or contractual matter (but not consumer rights, as CyberBritain Group were then a limited company, now dissolved) if they felt such arguments had legal merit. The judicial review request was the wrong approach, and the resulting comment by the judge suggested that CyberBritain should have at least exercised the option for a reply (second) DRS, which would have cost £3,000+VAT.

Putting aside the ‘abuse’ element, Nominet UK’s DRS framework is very much built around contractual rights, which is why Apple’s choice of instigating the first DRS was a strategically sound move, meaning that Claire Milne had no option but to consider Apple’s contractual rights (on this occasion, trademark rights), and the fact that they preceded any possible rights CyberBritain had by two weeks.

 

[Beasty]

Even hiring a big lawyer would be highly unlikely to recover any costs. It would undermine one the main DRS advantages, or even shift it more towards a Court if costs were to be recovered, and away from Nominet UK.

Looking back, it was considered that when Benjamin Cohen (then CyberBritain Group) went to the High Court in summer 2005 on his ill-fated attempt to request a judicial review of Nominet, he lost. Yes, in the end, Apple Inc. did retain the itunes.co.uk domain name, but the judge stated that CyberBritain could have used the appeal process which forms part of Nominet's dispute resolution (DRS) procedure. Did this 'rubber stamp' the DRS structure in the eyes of a court? To a large degree, yes, which isn’t so much of a victory for Nominet as one might at first consider. Quite simply, there is a greater onus on Nominet to get their DRS decisions right.

Nominet’s then company solicitor Ed Phillips said "We always said you can't go running off to court before exhausting the process you are complaining about. And a judicial review is wrong for this anyway - that is for complaining about government decisions - and we're not a government body."
So, in effect, before any court proceedings are started by way of a claim on a domain, the High Court at least supported the requirement to use the DRS, with includes its zero cost recovery principle.

Apple had reportedly first threatened CyberBritain with Court action, but wisely chose Nominet’s DRS instead (£750+VAT), fundamentally on the basis on its contractual rights stemming from its trademarks filed 24th October 2000, two weeks before the registration of itunes.co.uk, see:
TM No. E1917012
TM No. 2249936
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tm/t-find/t-find-number.htm

As Nominet UK is a limited company, Cohen could have considered taking them to Court on a legal or contractual matter (but not consumer rights, as CyberBritain Group were then a limited company, now dissolved) if they felt such arguments had legal merit. The judicial review request was the wrong approach, and the resulting comment by the judge suggested that CyberBritain should have at least exercised the option for a reply (second) DRS, which would have cost £3,000+VAT.

Putting aside the ‘abuse’ element, Nominet UK’s DRS framework is very much built around contractual rights, which is why Apple’s choice of instigating the first DRS was a strategically sound move, meaning that Claire Milne had no option but to consider Apple’s contractual rights (on this occasion, trademark rights), and the fact that they preceded any possible rights CyberBritain had by two weeks.

I am not sure the analysis you make about the itunes case leading to a conclusion that the court is saying that one should always take the DRS route first is right.

I thought what the judge said was that once in the DRS process, one should exhaust it before making a complaint to court about the process. Also one should get one's judicial review application in in time.

What he definitely did not say was what Ed and Nominet implied for quite a while (as per the quote you use) - until Ed was prevailed upon to make the decision public. The Judge did not say that the DRS is not potentially subject to a judicial review.

 

[squash247]

thanks all for the advice.

I would love to put up a fight as i don't like these bullying tactics. However the domain does not make any money, so my common sense, and sound advice from others tell me i should give it up.

Thnaks all

 

[retired_member16]

Err, no!

If you can transfer it, and im guess that if there is no DRS in place then you are free to do so, transfer it.

PM me the details including how much you want for it.

 

[petergskipton]

sell it to me, i'll give you £100 for it. pm me and we'll get it sorted.