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if anyone had any real money in the .uk domain industry surely they would buy up any decent profitable domains/websites.

I know..your going to now say but they are!

but they're not really doing it on any sort of scale.... you know its the truth.
 
I agree, I'd thought of that a few times over the years. They could completely corner the market with 50-100 million (should get them most of the top 1,000-5,000 most valuable domains, and they don't need the rest). Sounds like a lot? That's less than many internet companies have been bought for, for a start. The same in the geo domain space (wouldn't take nearly that much).

On the other hand, perhaps it's good that those organisations with that sort of disposable cash to invest aren't doing so - or there would be nothing left for any of us!
 
I Agree

I agree , thats why i am opening a office in bucharest to develop my portfolio

of keyword heavy domains 3,350 approx into nice profitable websites

that generate income in lead generation and affiliate models to then marinate them in google perform seo on them and turn them into desirable real estate

that offers the potential purchasers the opportunity to invest in either a income generating website on earnings v yearly profit multiplying factor which stand at the moment 10-24 months earnings on site like flippa giving a fantastic return on investment with quick return on investment

or by a company that is looking to expand out of necessity as a late adaptor
willing to pay for the extra speed the pre owned site can carry his business in to a profit by aquiring clients at a lower cost base
rather than using a fresh domain and site that would be sand boxed
therefore reducing the companies ability to come or return to profit quicker

now that's worth money and great profit potential in anyone`s language

i have just been offered $25,000 for personalinjury.org so i guess i am buzzing

and i turned him down yes i did as folks know that a keyword heavy domain
thats a aged domain will let a website come up google`s ranks straight away

and with some extra work going on permanently on a site it can be turned ito a fantastic investment opportunity generating leads for companies that live and breath only by such enquiries in the fields of personal injury leads
debt management leads secured loan leads debt consolidation loans etc

then you can sell of nice money making packages on multiplies that will be great as long has a full history to show its ranking and history is totally white hat therefore increasing the multiplier again now that's my plan and i think i will offer our services to fellow domainers who understand the principle that you invest in your investment for a higher return and this is down my manual
bespoke terms rather that auto generated duplicated sites with copied content

and that you need to pour some water and have some sunshine (seo fresh content regular postings of articles blogg being written video creation and submission i will even have sites that will take telephone calls and details and then sell the enquiry straight away placement in google business locals

so let me know your thoughts as i have struggled with this over time
since being broke and only being able to afford to buy a domain as the only realistic thing i could afford to buy that could rise in value as i had little money at the end of the week as had to work for someone and have the flat that came with the job sort off and i must admit that belief was good anchor

so dam right i agree with you there will be more companies competing for top 20 position's for lead generation the companies not there further back will pay a premium to jump the cue would`nt you if it was all backed up by google
history and even a guarantee if they take out my monthly seo service package ;-) sorry for going on if you feel you can add to the thread please do

as i having being doing this by the courage of my own conviction for some time. i feel after joining the forum it has encouraged me no end and i would just like to say thanks for providing that environment
 
Because you invest the money in the names then google could block them all (and most probably would) absolutely nothing you could do but weep, you corner the market something else comes along to replace it… But it could be a year it could be decades... It’s not worth the risk... Why do you think no one ever has there not all stupid in big business....? Also add too the mix the large corporations that own plenty of domains... The minute whisper went around someone was trying to do it there prices would go sky high your budget or the domains you wish would be out the window :)
 
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Because you invest the money in the names then google could block them all( and most probably would) absolutely nothing you could do but weep, you corner the market something else comes along to replace it… As the net has replaced many traditional newspapers etc something will come along and replace your names But it could be years it could be decades

No idea what you're talking about!

If you (hypothetical deep pocketed company) owned say 1,000 of the top 5,000 most commercial domains in the UK market, you could build out "category killer" sites on any subject you like, partner with anyone, etc. Nobody's going to "block" domains that are in use, plus there are hundreds of other ways to advertise a site "beyond Google" all of which benefit from a category-killing generic...
 
Just noticed I was in the procces of editing the text before you posted...? and my edited version came out after your posting apols for that
I agree, I'd thought of that a few times over the years. They could completely corner the market with 50-100 million (should get them most of the top 1,000-5,000 most valuable domains, and they don't need the rest). Sounds like a lot? That's less than many internet companies have been bought for, for a start. The same in the geo domain space (wouldn't take nearly that much).

On the other hand, perhaps it's good that those organisations with that sort of disposable cash to invest aren't doing so - or there would be nothing left for any of us!

If you (hypothetical deep pocketed company) owned say 1,000 of the top 5,000 most commercial domains in the UK market, you could build out "category killer" sites on any subject you like, partner with anyone, etc. Nobody's going to "block" domains that are in use, plus there are hundreds of other ways to advertise a site "beyond Google" all of which benefit from a category-killing generic...

If you already own the domains possibly but thought you were talking about a new company coming along and buying them ?(There are companies and the odd indervidual that probally already do own them and there not doing it …?) If you tried to buy them all from scratch most clued up corperations/ business would spot what was going on and there prices would go sky high well beyond your starting budget….and making in uneconomical to do... Then you have the corperations that own many won't devlope or ever sell because there not interested in them just do not want someone coming along and taking customers etc from there brands...? Google at the present is by far the market leader you would struggle without them, They can and have blocked sites from there indexing for no apparent reason…. Maybe they would not want someone to have a near monopoly of the uk market apart from themselves…?

In theory yes it could work but why do you think no one has done it...? Verizon, Proctor & Gamble, AT&T, Johnson & Johnson etc spend 1000s of million every year on advertising . Have they not thought of it…. I’m sure they have the expertise, cash, too do so…? Why have they not?, I cannot see its not been thought of before..? I ask myself just why it has not happened.... Why do you think it has not been done...?
 
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Advertising and marketing people are paid to advertise/market. There's nothing remotely "creative" about buying a domain name. It might be the best move ever, but it's not "creative" and therefore their professional input into the process is just about zero.

That's why you are VERY unlikely to see an ad-department driven domain buy-up.

For a similar reason, it's hard to sell generics (even one at a time) to advertising agencies repping large clients. If they're given a million pounds to spend, then they start booking newspaper ads, radio jingles, posters etc. and coming up with "themes" and "concepts" and having presentations and meetings on how to "brand" the campaign. Buying an expensive generic that removes the need for all that branding is like asking turkeys to vote for Christmas.
 
I ‘d agree there are plenty of “arty” and “creative” people in the advertising/marketing business there are also some very clever people too(not many)but some that would love to have the monopoly on the market... When a product/ goods a service etc is introduced to market most would like the monopoly of it… Can't see why The web genius, entrepreneurs, venture capital firms, investors, institutions, filthy rich etc wouldn’t see domains as anything different and use the strategy as you suggest to try and archieve it... But if its viable and profitable there must be a reason they have not...? Can’t all be short sighted, ignorant of the powers of the web or just too stupid not try it can they …?:confused:

If they do as you have put it in writing you might have a claim to coming up with the original idea…. what would you do with all that money…?
 
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Buying an expensive generic that removes the need for all that branding is like asking turkeys to vote for Christmas.

rofl
classic edwin! :D so true

also @ namealot
j and j , proctor and gamble etc. were buying up pure one word generics before most companies had even heard of the internet
j and j are particularly savvy and own top top one word generic coms
i think it was proctor and gamble, pretty sure that were the ones (back before the day lol) in early mid 90's that were registering domains at such a rate that they icann or whoever was in charge at time, introduced the annual reg fee
it was free up until 92 i believe, then went up to about $150 a year, it's why some poor sould dropped singl letter coms, mega generics etc

proctor and other firms reaaly believe they have the right to pretty much every word in the english language

companies of this size make telephone number sized cash sums by the hour so they are less pro-active in building out i think. they just want the pure generics to stop competitors and anyone else having, plus getting the traffic

in answer to julians question alo, many of the best domains are simply unavailable
you think barclays are gonna sell bank.co.uk?

as far as domainers owning top ones. some seem simply to never want to sell, or are extremely difficult to get hold of, or son't get back
imagine trying to go round and get hod of even 100 top domains, even with a barrowload of cash?
also not built out, top generics are rarely a threat, they may think well if it aint been used in 14 years and hasn't sold, fuck it :cool:

nice idea though ;)
 
@namealot: PLEASE stop expanding your posts retrospectively by editing them and adding a ton of stuff AFTER others have posted follow-up comments. Makes it impossible to have a productive discussion! Thanks...
 
j and j are famous for owning all 'their' domains and variants, plus top generics in their sector
proctor and gamble as i already mentioned are probably the kings of 'getting it'
and getting it the earliest on
they were single handedly responsible as i mentioned for getting the reg fee introduced as the bodies and powers that be couldn't deal with their applications for free

have alook, namealot and others a small selection of what proctor own

their brands:


Domain Name

ALWAYS.COM
CLEARASIL.COM
CRISCO.COM
FOLGERS.COM
IVORY.COM
JIF.COM
NOXZEMA.COM
OILOFOLAY.COM
OLAY.COM
OLDSPICE.COM
PAMPERS.COM
PERT.COM
PRINGLES.COM
SPICNSPAN
TOPJOB.COM
VAPORUB.COM
VICKS.COM
ZEST.COM



Registration Date

07-Aug-1995
30-Jul-1995.
02-Aug-1995
07-Aug-1995
02-Aug-1995
10-Aug-1995
09-Aug-1995
25-Aug-1995
02-Aug-1995
02-Aug-1995
30-Jul-1995
07-Aug-1995
02-Aug-1995
10-Aug-1995
09-Aug-1995
10-Aug-1995.
25-Aug-1995
07-Aug-1995


and some pureplay generics:


Domain Name

BACTERIA.COM
BADBREATH.COM
BEAUTIFUL.COM
CAVITIES.COM
COOKINGOIL.COM
COUGH.COM
DENTURES.COM
DISINFECT.COM
DRY.COM
FLU.COM
GERMS.COM
GUMS.COM
HEADACHE.COM
HYGIENE.COM
PIMPLES.COM
SCALP.COM
SINUS.COM
STAINS.COM
THIRST.COM
UNDERARMS.COM



Registration Date

16-Aug-1995
16-Aug-1995
16-Aug-1995
16-Aug-1995
09-Aug-1995
09-Aug-1995
16-Aug-1995
16-Aug-1995
16-Aug-1995
09-Aug-1995
16-Aug-1995
16-Aug-1995
19-Aug-1995
16-Aug-1995
16-Aug-1995
19-Aug-1995
09-Aug-1995
16-Aug-1995
19-Aug-1995
16-Aug-1995
(interesting link: http://www.domainhandbook.com/png.html )


they did sell some though years back, so all may not still show in their ownership. they own hundreds, if not thousands more. domaintools would be able to tell you more

all the big players own large domain holdings, some tm protection, some pure generics and future promotions.
go into domaintools and you'll see people like rbs own thousands of domains. most of the big players have a similar tale to tell
 
@namealot: PLEASE stop expanding your posts retrospectively by editing them and adding a ton of stuff AFTER others have posted follow-up comments. Makes it impossible to have a productive discussion! Thanks...
I had already apol for that...? and explained I was simply editing it when you posted your one post after mine..? Any other edits were done before others posted as time on here will show...


You think its a good Idea I'm not saying its not But as pred has shown and I have already said ("There are companies and the odd indervidual that probally already do own them and there not doing it …?) There must be reason there not ...?
 
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